Confessing to Rick Rubin, Trent Reznor admits that he has never been much of a pop music fan, and has tried to keep his children away from it: "For while, I kept them in a kind of hermetically sealed way from pop music. Because I think it sucks generally — I had thought that."

He then went on to say that he's opened up to the art of a well-crafted song, thanks to his daughter. "She is so into it and it is so cool. Like this is her music, you know, this is her thing,” he said. “It really reminded me the art of writing a well-crafted song – I teared up listening to a Dua Lipa track. Because it was just a really well-done piece of music, you know? It was clever. It felt good.”

“It’s a difficult thing to do. I don’t know how to do that,” Reznor said, admitting that there's a certain kind of craft that it takes to write that style of music. “When I’m trying to think of what to say, I’m saying it from the unvarnished me. And that requires me thinking about who I am and where my position is now and all of that together becomes something that feels the stakes are higher.”