The legendary US band talk about the wonder of childhood musical memories and beyond.
Jonathan Donahue and Grasshopper have been friends since they were children. The music they heard at that point in their lives had a huge impact on the songs they would go on to create together as Mercury Rev.
Talking about the impact of starting to understand music at such a young age Donahue explains that the feelings, arrangements and timbre of children’s music has always played a hugely significant role in their music.
“Certainly from the sounds of Deserter’s Songs and even earlier than that, our music was definitely a reverberation of childhood music. Nearly all of our records are attempts at walking through those childhood memories of childhood music. That’s not a deep admission, that’s an honest one, our records are children’s records.”
The songs they’ve chosen move from their childhood memories of music, their teenage years, when Grasshopper received a box of records from his Uncle that would prove to be highly influential for them both, to their early thirties, just before they wrote their career defining Deserter’s Songs. Underpinning all of their pivotal songs - just like a Mercury Rev record - is a sense of the beauty, wonder and the redemptive power of music.
“When You Wish Upon a Star” by Cliff Edwards
Jonathan Donahue: “Growing up in America in the late ‘60s and early ‘70s every Sunday evening there was The Walt Disney Hour on TV and before they played whatever Walt Disney movie or animation that was on, they would always begin with ‘When You Wish Upon a Star.’ This was probably the first embedding of music into your DNA outside of something that your parents might listen to on the radio, this was something that was wholly your own, because this was children’s music.
“Your parents would plop you down in front of the television set on a Sunday night and this was your hour of music basically, so for myself, Grasshopper and a number of other people this otherworldly song was really the first music that informed you. Whatever music was to come in your life, this was the first information that was literally downloaded into your bloodstream.
“Early on in Mercury Rev we were using feedback and Grasshopper was using guitar elements, because we’d yet to learn how to score orchestrally ourselves, we were just too young. Yerself is Steam was our early attempt at orchestrating but we were using feedback and noise and basically any note we could grab on the fretboard or the piano, because we weren’t really accomplished rock musicians. Like everyone, when you begin you sort of fumble around.
“The idea of the layering and the dynamics that are in some of those very early Disney movies, such as Fantasia or Pinocchio was definitely in our consciousness. It was definitely one of the few things we could lean on as teenagers.”
“The Creator Has A Masterplan” by Pharoah Sanders
Grasshopper: “I first heard this when I was a teenager. My Uncle, who worked at Atlantic Records, sent it to me and at the time I was playing clarinet and saxophone and stuff. The way it was orchestrated was just magical, it’s under the ‘jazz’ heading but it’s kind of not really jazz, there’s so many elements in it. There’s bells and chimes and all this miasma of sound happening, with a lot of it you can’t even pinpoint what it is, it just hits you viscerally. I love that aspect, that mystery of not knowing exactly what sounds you’re hearing or how they did it, that imagination.
“I was probably 14 or 15 when I heard it and then later when I got into things like The Stooges and the MC5. I read that they were listening to a lot of Pharoah Sanders stuff in Detroit when they trying to make their music. It inspired them that these sounds were otherworldly and trying to go in that direction.
“That’s something we’ve always strived for, to hit those points and try to make things and sounds that are out there in interstellar space.”
“Seasons in the Sun” by Terry Jacks
Jonathan Donahue: “Continuing the otherworldly theme, as we’re looking chronologically at our lives and youth, this is the next song that hit me as a young person, at the age of seven or eight. The reason it hit me so hard, so young, was because it was one of the first songs that I understood was about death.
“I grew up in the Catskill Mountains and Grasshopper grew up in Lake Erie, so we were well away from New York, punk rock or anything that was happening in the ‘70s, we were out in the hinterland. All that I could listen to was AM radio and ‘Seasons in the Sun’ was a massive hit, but lyrically its dealing with death, ‘Goodbye to you my trusted friend.’ He’s dying and I’m a young kid thinking ‘Why’s this guy dying on the radio? What’s he dying from?’ It was so much more than the syrupy, ‘I’ve got love in my tummy’ stuff that had come out of the ‘60s.
“And this mystery, I was old enough to know what dying meant, but too young to understand that you could sing about it. Yet here was Terry Jacks singing this very sad, almost suicidal song and it hit me like a ton of bricks. now I started not only having to process music that I was deeply in love with, but also processing lyrics at seven or eight. The idea of the mystery within the song, that there were not only unanswered questions, but the biggest question, death. That’s what rang my bell, it was existentialism in a three-and-a-half-minute pop song.
“I didn’t have all the tools to process it artistically at my young age but I knew it was deep, it was important and it was really, really sad. It was almost like a traumatic moment in early childhood that you didn’t experience directly, but indirectly it shook your bones, like the death of a relative you’ve barely met. You can tell everyone around you is ringing like a brass bell from it and that was something I got from that song.”
“All Tomorrow’s Parties” by The Velvet Underground
Grasshopper: “I grew up in a small town in Western New York, with a lot of farmland and oldie’s radio, but my Uncle was my contact on the outside and he sent me The Velvet Underground record, which came in the same box as Pharoah Saunders when I was in the 8th Grade.
“All Tomorrow’s Parties” is so otherworldly, it’s shocking in its modernity and otherworldliness, the rollicking piano, the primal drums, Nico’s singing and the guitars building up. Even when I hear it now it just seems so fresh, it feels like it’s the first time I’ve heard it, the exhilaration of it.
“It’s one of those songs that’s just timeless. Even though it’s fifty years old it sounds like it could have been done yesterday, musically and the lyrics as well - ‘What costume shall the poor girl wear / To all tomorrow's parties?’ – that idea of adolescence, that you’re going to a party and you’re trying to figure out what to wear, what’s going to happen, who you’re going to meet there and what you’re going to learn.
“I just love the piano that John Cale plays, I think it comes out of the world of the New York minimalism of La Monte Young, Tony Conrad and Terry Riley, minimal piano that just keeps looping and rollicking along. And the impact of the sound, that rollicking piano with the primal beat of Moe Tucker, it just steamrolls through relentlessly, it’s just beautiful.”
“Second Skin” by The Chameleons
Jonathan Donahue: “I’m going to take us from otherworldly right back into the world itself, to my teenage years. I guess you could say this about nearly all of these songs, but this one in particular got me for the same reason that The Catcher in the Rye gets people, the idea of ‘us versus them’, the real, sincere people pitted against the phonies of the world.
“As a teenager I could have written The Catcher in the Rye, nearly any teenager could. At some point you feel yourself isolated against this outside world and The Chameleons were a band, lyrically and musically, that kept ringing this same set of isolated chimes of the individual pitted against this hostile world. Heading into my teenage years I was like everyone, looking for someone that can say something better than you can until you can say it better than they can, and for a while The Chameleons could say it better in song than I could speak it myself.
“With ‘Second Skin’ they had the lexicon and the guitars that I loved. It was a sort of musical version of The Catcher in the Rye, of someone trying to make sense of a very perplexing, and at times hostile world that I think all teenagers find themselves in and I was no exception. For some people it was punk rock and for others it was other elements of entertainment, but for me it had a lot to do with music and in The Chameleons I found a direct way of saying it and not in the blunt, abject anger that punk rock sometimes wielded. I didn’t feel it like that, mine was much more of a pointed knife than a blunt nightstick.
“It’s even something that people say to us, that they grew up listening to Mercury Rev or Deserter’s Songs. When you’re writing, it’s coming out of you but sometimes you forget that for people who are listening to it when they’re thirteen or fourteen, it’s their lexicon, it’s a newly learned vocabulary. That’s where sometimes as an artist you forget the importance of what you do, because music is what carried you to the point of doing it later in life.
“Everyone has one song or a band that seem to take the words out of your young, teenage mouth before you could form them and for The Chameleons were one of those bands.”
“Ghost Rider” by Suicide
Grasshopper: “This is another one I got from my Uncle. Alan Vega’s voice harkened back to the spookiness and weirdness of the stuff I’d heard growing up, Doo-Wop, Elvis, Del Shannon and Roy Orbison, this kind of ‘50s-ish sound. He was singing about such weird, dark and spooky things and the music was this relentless keyboard and drums, again, it was that repetition.
“Jonathan and I met Alan Vega and he was a really amazing guy, he was tough on the outside but a sweetheart and an artist, both lyrically and visually. With ‘Ghost Rider’ some of the effects he uses on his voice goes out into a delay and going back to the space and the production, a lot of all these songs sound like they’re broadcast from Mars or something. They’re otherworldly and that’s what I always loved, the future. When I was a kid I imagined we’d all be living in these weird spaceship houses by now, so as an adolescent Suicide was a musical version of that.
“And no, I don’t know what would have happened to Mercury Rev’s music if my Uncle hadn’t have sent me that box of records!
Jonathan Donahue: “We played CBGB’s and Grasshopper’s Uncle brought the A&R guy from Atlantic. It was one of our first shows at CBGB’s in the late ‘80s. There was us, probably the owner was there, Grasshopper’s Uncle and the A&R guy and they didn’t sign us. In fact I don’t think they looked up from their pool game while we were playing!”
“Sarangi Music” by Amjad Ali Khan & Ram Narayan
Jonathan Donahue: “With The Chameleons I was in my mid-teens, but now we’re rolling right ahead and I’m twenty.
“Me, Grasshopper and Suzie, our original flute player, all went to see Amjad Ali Khan, a master Sarod player. Ram Narayan is a master Sarangi player, I’m talking about the Amjad Ali Khan concert we went to, but either one works. The Sarangi is my favourite instrument, it’s a violin-style stringed instrument and the Sarod is banjo like, but behind both is always the tamboura.
“It was the first time I’d seen Indian music in person and from the first notes of the tamboura drone it had me. It was like I was completely born for this music, it seemed to go right into a brainwave pattern that overtook every other brainwave I’d ever had in my life. It almost completely erased all the music I’ve been talking to you about before that, it was that strong.
“I dived into Indian music really heavily following that performance. I didn’t know where to look at first, I sort of stumbled through Ravi Shankar, Sarangi records and Sarod’s, but it was the idea of how that tamboura and the drone music worked. It was in La Monte Young and some of the early minimalists, but it was the first time I’d heard it at a bare bones performance level from Indian artists.
“I think the reason it was so important was that I wasn’t coming into it with any preconceptions. I didn’t speak Hindi, I didn’t know the lineage, so I was a blank slate and this was the closest I could actually get to listening to my own brain outside of myself. I think everybody has that drone, it doesn’t have to be a musical instrument, it can be the ocean, or your wife or child’s voice. It just stopped me in my tracks and made me almost forget, in a good way, everything I’d learned and made me that musical child all over again at the age of twenty.
“Ever since then it’s at the heart of the beginning of nearly all the songs I write. Grasshopper begins in his own way, but I nearly always begin with a tamboura drone and compose whatever I can on top of that.”
“The Horse Song” by Iggy Pop
Grasshopper: “I heard The Stooges when I was about fifteen, it wasn’t my Uncle this time, I found them on my own.
“This is from Zombie Birdhouse, one of the lesser known Iggy Pop records. Chris Stein and Clem Burke from Blondie played on it and Chris Stein produced it. It’s one of those really weird records, it’s not like any of Iggy’s other records, it’s very experimental with very strange sounds and things coming in and out of the mix, using rhythm boxes along with drums and the guitar playing is so weird, especially on ‘The Horse Song’.
“Iggy’s having such a good time singing it and going back to children’s songs, it’s almost like a children’s song. It’s a very simple song, a child would love it, the simple melodies and the very child-like simplicity of the words and the repetition about feeling like a horse. At the end of the song Iggy breaks into laughter, I always enjoyed the fun he sounded like he was having recording it and the weirdness of the sounds.
“The guitars didn’t even sound like guitars, they sounded like this weird thing and I tried to find that sound with vibratos, phasers and tremolos, I was always seeking out how they got that sound.”
“I'm a Fool to Want You” by Billie Holiday
Grasshopper: “Lady in Satin pulled at the heartstrings, her voice was so vulnerable. Tony Conrad taught me at university that you can have a physical attraction to someone, but what clinches it is their voice.
“A voice is like a mating call; everybody’s voice is special and rings out in a different way. When you hear a voice and you connect with it, it pulls at the heartstrings, you may fall in love or just connect with that voice. I think that’s true, a voice like this does something to you that you can’t explain and you’re very drawn to it.”
Jonathan Donahue:: “Grasshopper gave me Lady in Satin for my 30th birthday. People were startled by the quality of Billie’s voice on this, her final album before she died, you can hear the years of her life in her voice. As a singer you’re always doing everything you can to imagine your voice being clear, non-crackly and not having any cobwebs, you’re doing everything you can to sing perfectly.
“Yet here was someone singing imperfectly, but with all the vulnerability of a life well and certainly intensely lived. That changed everything for me, hearing the crackle in her voice, the years making their way out of her windpipe, almost by clawing their way out.
“I’d read that Ray Ellis, who conducted and produced the album, cried when she first sang these songs, because he knew her as someone whose voice had a very full, rich-sounding tonal quality. Yet on this album you can hear the cobwebs, the lisping gasps of air between words. He cried because he thought this shouldn’t be Billie Holiday on record. It was only later that he thought it was her masterpiece.
“It was the first time I began to see the connection between the singer, their voice and the listener, that it had nothing to do with the pureness of tone, being perfectly in tune or singing as loud as could be. It was all about the emotions that came out via the breath and the notes together that made the connection.
“It changed everything, not only about my singing, but the way I began to understand what people appreciated in a singers’ voice. I could really understand and take some of the pressure off trying to be what I thought was a perfect singer, I know I’m not, but you always have it in mind that you’ve to belt it out and sing perfectly.
“I finally began to accept that what comes out of me is my voice and no one else’s, this song and the album as a whole finally released that anxiety in me. The next record we made was Deserter’s Songs.”
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