Amidst the release of her album OVERDRESSED and her comedy special Come For Me, reigning icon of comedy cabaret Cat Cohen talks Olivia Swash through the most significant songs of her life.
Star of stage and screen Cat Cohen is the moment.
“Boys never wanted to kiss me, so now I do comedy,” sang Cat Cohen in her first special. It’s one of many thunderbolts of millennial self-awareness from the New York comic, whose acerbic revue appeals to the id rather than the ego. On her new follow-up, Come For Me, Cohen calls out her own coping mechanisms of consumerism, social media and astrology to distract from the emptiness of being “a young 30s girl” in 2024 (“Why is it so easy to get pregnant and so hard to get a house?”).
As an actor she’s been cast in some of the most important comedies of her generation: Only Murders In The Building, What We Do in The Shadows, Broad City, Girls5eva, Search Party and the hugely under-rated High Maintenance, and she’s published a captivating book of her poetry.
After having a mini-stroke at 31 caused by a congenital heart defect, Cohen has been on a journey of personal growth, having gained more perspective about her life while healing and flourishing in a healthy relationship. Her second special is an opportunity to take stock and reflect on how far she’s come since her debut – Netflix’s The Twist… She’s Gorgeous, which was based on her 2019 Edinburgh Fringe show. “I watch the first special and I’m like, ‘Who is that?’ I have no idea. But this one I feel more connected to,” she says. “You work on stuff for so long and you want it to be so perfect that by the time you finish, inevitably there are some jokes where you’re like, ‘Who is that?’ But I feel that way less with this new special, because I can still stand by most of them thematically.”
Cohen has previously admitted to “contributing to the problem when it comes to main character energy.” “Oh my God, I actually need to stop,” she says. “I’ll always be the main character in my own show, but I’ll hope to approach things with maybe a slightly more demure tone. But we’ll see – I’m about to start writing the new show and I have no idea what will come out,” she says of the new project, for which she revealed a working title of Broad Strokes to Mike Birbiglia. “I’ve been letting it simmer and I’m waiting for divine inspo to strike, but I’m distracting myself with posting about this one on Instagram instead. It’s so funny, I worked so hard on this material, but now I’m like, ‘If I don’t post right, no one will see!!’”
The album’s songs are polished, self-aware and fiercely hilarious, with the combined forces of two elements of her stage character: shimmering Vaudeville glam and Y2K pop girly best friend who just got a new healer. OVERDRESSED is the perfect level of unhinged.
As a lifetime Spice Girls girl, the poppy sheen Cohen chose to run throughout her album is confidently nostalgic. “Couros produced all the tracks and just killed it,” she says. “The night before I met him, I was listening to Spice Girls and other early ‘90s pop, and just wanting to re-create the songs I’d grown up playing at slumber parties and dancing to. I knew I wanted to make a super poppy record that was like taking those cabaret songs I’d written and mixing them up.”
The pair teamed up with Belot and Pura Bliss in the studio too. “The four of us had the best time, it was so magical,” Cohen recalls. “We were just ordering Wingstop and brainstorming pop hooks — bridges mostly. Their musical prowess came in handy on the bridges. I’m a big Swiftie, so I need that good bridge!”
Cohen worked closely with Broadway heavyweight David Dabbon, an Emmy nominee with whom she co-wrote many of the show’s songs. “He’s just like a classically trained beautiful genius who can appreciate my sense of humour and makes me laugh,” she says.
“What I try to do with my act is high glamour with disgusting gross girl behaviour,” says Cohen, explaining the thought process behind the album’s cover art. “So I wanted to capture both of those in the image. I was thinking like a deranged hostess – that glamour. There’s a picture of Debbie Harry where she’s in a kitchen and something’s on fire. It’s like she’s trying to make a turkey for the first time and you look in there and it’s charred and black, and she’s like, ‘Let’s drink instead!’ That’s the tone.”
Growing up in Texas, Cohen’s friends were listening to pop and country. “But then there was a vibe shift when I discovered The OC,” she recalls. “Those soundtracks opened up my musical world and completely re-shaped my brain, and introduced me to so many bands that I still listen to.”
She then entered her indie rock phase, or as she reflects, “Quietly emo – Never bold enough to dress or act that way publically, but in my room writing poetry and listening to Iron & Wine, Death Cab and Bright Eyes and, like, sobbing. My arc is that I’ll always appreciate the pop and the Broadway, but in my heart I’m like a sad indie girl crying in my room writing poems.”
“First of all, it was an impossible task,” Cohen says of the Nine Songs brief. “I guess some choices were easy – I knew I needed a Taylor and a Lana, cos those are my two girls. The rest I was like, okay, what songs am I just obsessed with?”
“Since high school I’ve made a monthly playlist of like, September 2009, October 2009… and it’s all in my Spotify,” she says. “So I can go back and see my taste over time. What was interesting to see when I was browsing is what artists I keep going back to, and what I’m still listening to that I was also listening to back in the day.”
Cohen’s song choices hold a mirror up to her own music, reflecting on just how influential these artists have been for her. The disillusionment of Peggy Lee’s “Is That All There Is?” is tangible in Cohen’s existential track “Good Not Bad”: “Life’s a bitch and then you die / But for now it seems like we’re all alive / For sure we’ve been stripped of our rights / But we might as well enjoy tonight.”
In the same song, Cohen’s line, “I can’t think of any wonderful woman who isn’t easy to hate,” meditates on her connection to Taylor Swift’s world, her own creative path and the mercurial public judgments that follow.
“I don’t think people ever change / No, I still want the same shoes that the Spice Girls used to wear,” Cohen sings in the opener to her new special. Looking back over the song choices that have been the most pivotal in her life at the end of our chat, she reflects, “If you ask people their favourite songs, it's all about coming of age, don't you think?”
“Delicate” by Taylor Swift
I remember being like 15 and playing her songs in my room and learning all her music on guitar. I loved the first album, I loved Fearless very much. Then I didn’t listen as much in college because I was too busy being angsty and trying to get boys to like me, so I kind of missed Red and Speak Now. Then I came back to her in a real way for 1989, and reputation is my favourite album. I did a Swiftie bracket once – You know how they do for sports teams, like you face off against songs and pick your favourite until you get to your ultimate song – and “Delicate” was my number one song.
The vibe of reputation was like, “Don’t even try to fuck with me. Don’t you dare come for me.” Anyone who tries to put themselves out there creatively is inevitably met with hatred. It’s like, they love you, then they hate you, then they love you, then they hate you. I would just always come back to the ups and downs of Taylor’s world, and I’d draw strength from it. My goal – and this is an impossible goal of course – is that ultimately what people think of me won’t affect me as much. So I come back to that as like a creative mantra.
Even in terms of creativity and making stuff, it’s always up-and-down: Moments of inspiration and moments of feeling completely worthless. If we’re playing the long game, which I hope I am, I’m like, it’s gonna be, [sings] “My reputation’s never been worse / so you must like me for me!” I mean come on!
I feel like I have this discography to draw strength from. If you’re going through something, then there’s a Taylor song for that. I admire her so much.
“Norman Fucking Rockwell” by Lana Del Rey
I remember in 2019 I’d just done Edinburgh for the first time, I was in a really emotional place and I was taking off on the plane and I hadn’t listened to this album yet. I literally pressed play on this song, the first track of the album, and I heard the line, “Fuck me so good I almost said ‘I love you,’” and I was like [silently screams]! I was kind of dating someone but not really, and I was just so moved by this album. I listened to it by myself walking around Italy feeling lonely and forlorn.
I remember hearing about her when she first came out – obviously “Video Games” is like a perfect song. But ever sinceNorman Fucking Rockwell I’ve been following her more closely, and all of the albums she’s released over the past few years have been amazing. With Taylor and Lana, I’m following every release and excitedly listening to what they’re up to.
“Is That All There Is?” by Peggy Lee
BEST FIT: “If that's all there is, then let's keep dancing” is a pretty good line to live by, and it feels quite representative of what you talk about on stage. Is that fair?
CAT COHEN: A hundred percent. On stage I try and capture that feeling of like, let's have a fucking good time cause the world is burning. I'm always trying to kind of have that be the ending message in my shows. And stylistically too, it's just so like, “da da da da!” kind of old-school feel. But the lyrics feel so modern.
This song is indicative of everything I want to do on stage — I just think it’s the perfect song. It’s the dream. It's a phenomenon of like an “I wish I wrote that” sentiment. Oh my god exactly, like, is that all there is? Is that all there is to the circus?!
In my mind it's a song that's just sort of in the zeitgeist and just like, you know, “is that all there is” is a phrase that is sort of thrown around. So I don't remember where or when I heard this for the first time or the moment of inception, but it's something I come back to a lot.
“America” by Simon & Garfunkel
I think this is a perfect train song. I feel like I'm often on trains and planes, being moody and looking out the window, and this is a song that's perfect for that.
I read that this is about navigation through despair and hope, optimism and disillusionment… Kind of like what you said earlier about the highs and lows of life, especially doing what you do.
It kind of encapsulates what it feels like to try and be moving through the world and making life happen for you.
It mostly is a nod to taking guitar lessons when I was 12. That was this space that was so separate from school or friends or anything. It felt like this really sacred thing I got to do once a week. My mom would always say I would come home so relaxed from my guitar lessons. And that's still how I feel whenever I'm able to actually step away from my phone and my computer, and feeling like I have to be somewhere or do something, and I can just enjoy music. So they represent that to me. That feeling of purity — pure love for the craft.
“Absolutely Cuckoo” by The Magnetic Fields
When I first heard his lyrics, it was like my brain was broken open – lyrics can be funny and silly and still heartfelt, and, oh my god, heartbreaking.
I love 69 Love Songs so much. I could pick like ten songs from this album that I'm completely obsessed with, but this one I just really relate to, because that's what falling in love is like. It's like, “I’m a fucking psycho, and just you wait!” And that's the energy.
I fell in love so many times when I was that age, and everything felt like The Big Thing. And sometimes I miss those ups and downs, cause I think those feelings inspire me to make stuff. But ultimately I don't miss those feelings of heartache, because it's horrible.
I discovered the album through my best friend in college, Rebecca. She actually gets a shoutout on my album – On the song “I Like Men” I have a joke about needing people to remember facts for my life. And I'm like, “Rebecca's my college roommate!” She has amazing taste in music and poetry, and she showed me a lot of stuff, so I bet she showed me this.
“Chicago” by Sufjan Stevens
You went and saw the Sufjan musical, Illinoise, and loved it, right?
Yes, oh my god. I was sobbing. I knew I would love it. They play the whole Illinois album, which has so many heartbreaking songs. I tried to pick an uplifting one. I think it's just one of the most beautiful songs of all time. I listen to it all the time. Lyrically, the meaning changes depending on where you're at in your life.
This one is one of those like, “life is possible” epic ballads. I remember being in high school and being really lonely, playing this in my car and it being pure joy and bliss. There's nothing like driving windows down with this song blasting, it’s so special.
Do you listen to this on a good day or bad day, or both?
Both, but probably a good day. There's much sadder music reserved for bad days, I think. This is what I'd put on at, like, a fun pre-game – and people would be like, “That's not the vibe.”
There aren’t enough choral sections in pre-game music.
Exactly! Exactly.
"I'll Try Anything Once" by Julian Casablancas (Live From Electric Lady Studios)
I love The Strokes. Best band of all time, perhaps. They're just amazing. And when I heard this specific version of the song I was like, what the fuck? I don't know what it is. It's just like in my bones the best thing to listen to. Why is it so good? I lack the language.
In college I was more online: on blogs, finding songs and just downloading them or getting sent stuff on SoundCloud. As opposed to now where it's like, “You like this because you like that! And this one was on this playlist!” So it was more about discovering.
I read that The Strokes asked all their fans to put this as their MySpace profile song to help spread the word. Such a way to market your music in 2006!
Oh really? Oh my god. I mean, yeah, now it’s like, “Will you please use this as a TikTok sound?”
“Anthems For A Seventeen Year-Old Girl” by Broken Social Scene
I mean the whole of You Forgot It In People I could put on here. It's just the best album of all time. I think my college roommate Rebecca showed me this album, and we would just listen to it on repeat — especially this song, which has a repetitive nature already. We would just fully cheesy-indie-movie lay on the floor… I remember studying for stuff late at night or trying to write papers in the study rooms at college and just playing this on repeat and being like, “Why doesn't he like meee?!”
What was your personal aesthetic at that time?
It was just very basic Urban Outfitters hipster girl. There's this coat I got at Urban Outfitters that I saw Lana Del Rey wearing, and I was like, this is my new thing! Big headphones over my ears and skinny jeans and, you know, just the Urban Outfitters 2012 vibe.
I saw them play once at some festival, I can't remember where it was, but it was fun. There were so many people – I love a band with a bunch of people in it. Arcade Fire was another one that didn't make the cut!
“Bowl of Oranges” by Bright Eyes
I've been a huge Bright Eyes fan since high school, and I’ve seen him play a few times. The lyrics are just unbelievable and so beautiful, and I love his voice. This song in particular I just think is one of the more uplifting ones — it's hopeful. Throughout my life, I always come back to Bright Eyes. I just love it.
You’re a big Phoebe Bridgers fan, right? Did you like her Better Oblivion Community Centre project with Conor Oberst?
Oh I think I’ve heard some of them but I need to dive back in. Sometimes it’s like — and I’m the same way with movies and TV — If I think I'm gonna like something too much I'm scared to dive in. I'm like, “I need a minute to process!”
Thank you for listening to me just talk about my teen angst. I feel like we all just revert to the music we liked when we were coming of age, and that's it.
Overdressed is out on 15 November via Elektra Records, and her special Come For Me is available to stream now on Veeps. Find Cat Cohen on Instagram.
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